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MH - Two Piece and a Biscuit by Grudge-Glamorous MH - Two Piece and a Biscuit by Grudge-Glamorous
Dear Society,

It seems that you are still teaching people that anything larger than a size 2 is grossly fat and disgusting. I know this because three different people have told me that this illustration of my design for a Skull Shores Operetta is "fat," with negative connotation. Granted, two of those three are under thirteen and shouldn't be on DeviantArt ANYWAY, but I digress. My point is, society, darling;

STOP TEACHING PEOPLE TO BASE THEIR PERCEPTION AND OPINION OF SOMEONES' SELF-WORTH ON THEIR SIZE. OR RACIAL BACKGROUND. OR SEXUALITY. OR ANYTHING THAT ISN'T EXPERIENCE WITH THAT PERSON.

I hope you shape up, Society. I'm tired of dealing with your shit.

Sincerely, Me.





Bokeh (in the background) : [link]



Operetta, Monster High Mattel
Art =Casual-Redemption
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AliceandTails Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
She looks cute!
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Devilgirl453 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2013
She looks nice here. a lot people make characters chubby, and that's ok. it's when they're like  9000+lbs that it gets creepy.
plus I'm 11 and I think it's good to make artwork like this because it shows that people can find beauty in any shape or form.
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TheGagaUnicorn Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
when i created my accont i was under thirteen... , anywayz i don't think being fat is bad i don't know if it's because of growing in a black family where every gurls have hips and butt and boobs and even more but i think curves aren't a bad think at all , i don't think somebody canbe ugly becaus of his fatness i think pplz can be ugly because that is the way they see themself and thts all .
i know thats not relly the point of this art but i wanted to tell what i think
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EvilStufferSebastian Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
Gorgeous!
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ThestralWizard Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
She seroiusly looks liek a friend of mine. If she decides to cosplay Operetta she would totes look like this and that would be fab!
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ThestralWizard Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
*seriously
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Raccguin Featured By Owner May 5, 2013  Professional Filmographer
The web-series teaches acceptance regardless of how someone looks. Frankie and Lagoona are the voices of reason. Also, the first thing that goes from a dead body is flesh. Hence "no fat chicks," because they are supernatural beings. They can look however the **** they want. There is still a positive message.
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GreenTeaDeer Featured By Owner May 6, 2013
God you're such an unpleasant person. Some one makes a fat operetta and somehow your mind can't take it. They literally have a skeleton with breasts and you're trying to claim "REALISTICCNESS!11!'. Calm down, it's just a drawing.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner May 6, 2013  Student Digital Artist
umm, what are you even trying to say?
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Raccguin Featured By Owner May 6, 2013  Professional Filmographer
"umm" what are you not getting?

Key phrases; Teaches Acceptance, Flesh decays from a dead body, Supernatural beings.

The series even has a stop bullying campaign and brings awareness to many other very good causes, but all some people can focus on is how the characters look.
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Every day I get more proof for my hypotheses that people would be bored if they're not over-analyzing.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner May 6, 2013  Student Digital Artist
umm.

ok

you have a VERY selective way of discerning what constitutes acceptance. or perhaps very very poor reading comprehension skills.

things we can agree on: monster high as a franchise is trying to promote acceptance.

things we disagree on, or clearly you have a poor way of sharing your thoughts on: inclusion and promotion of body types that aren't stick skinny.

if you're trying to tell me that i'm somehow shallow because i want people to stop looking at fat people and immediately assuming that they're ugly, unattractive, or somehow unworthy of existing, then you can't make ANY sort of claim that you care more about the "message" of monster high, since clearly, your version of acceptance has conditions.

if you're trying to say how you cant believe that people would try to shame certain bodies and body types in this franchise, wherein one of the main, overriding messages is acceptance and self-love, then your thoughts are muddled and messy, and you should streamline and clarify your points before you try sharing them, lest people (like me) get confused.

and that whole little point you're trying to make about "decaying bodies being skinny" is rather pointless in this particular setting, because:

1) Operetta is not an undead, or made of decaying flesh. She's canonically just "Daughter of the Phantom of the Opera," not "zombie daughter of the phantom of the opera."

2) The designs for monster high don't really pay attention to believability or dabble in "realism" too often.

and if you think i'm "overanalyzing," it's because you poorly presented your case, not because i'm "bored."
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MandaLea Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
There's also the fact that even though some of the characters are technically 'dead', none of them show any signs of decay.. and besides, if they're decaying to the point that their fat is gone, their skin would have rotted off too, so they'd just be naked muscle and bone.

Jesus H. Christ, people come up with some ridiculous justifications for sizism.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Nobody seems to be clocking Slow Moe for having rock hard zombie abs. I guess only fat people decay in this magical universe.
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MandaLea Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
OMFG. This is beyond awesome! You are my new hero.
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Mai-Lynn Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
jkafl;sdhgsdja WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL OF MY DEVIANTART LIFE. I am fuckin' following you, I've looked through your gallery and DAAAYUM you are amazing! <3 <3
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zakniteh Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2013
I love this. Both what you stated and the artwork. I'd love to own a doll of that physique.
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mew19 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2012
I would see Operetta fatter than that. She would be sexier as a ssbbw.
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Gravenda Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Pre-teens and teenagers have really ridiculous expectations about bodies and size, and they wouldn't be that way if there was more positive body diversity in the media. All we do get are fat characters that either fill dumb, ugly, or evil roles.

Anyway, Operetta looks freaky fab in any body type or size. THE END.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
AMEN.
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larakoncia1713 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
hahahahahahaahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha btw i luv it
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Dai-ba Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
She looks great but fair is fair if she would be a human then her weight wouldn't be healthy. I understand what you are saying and I agree too but what we should pay attention to is the bodies health and not whether it's fat, gross, to skinny, boney, disgusting or whatever. Size 2 aint what I'd call healthy either though there are some people who are as skinny as that no matter what. A friend of mine eats the whole day and everything, from salads to big chunks of ben and jerry after a xl pizza pepperoni. She's skinny as hell. A other friend of mine is chubby, wants to lose weight not for society but for herself, and is on a diet. Not anything rascal just no candy, normal healthy food 3 times a day and water or tea instead of soda. I'm just saying your characters weight isn't healthy but neither is it disgusting. She looks fab.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Number one: There is NO correlation between SIZE and HEALTH. You said it yourself. Your size 2 friend eats in a way that is considered very unhealthy and your larger sized friend is eating healthier but is still larger sized.

THAT'S MY POINT.

My reasoning for drawing Operetta at this size, is to show that you simply cannot and SHOULD NOT judge someone based simply on their size. You can't honestly tell me that Operetta, or anyone of a bigger size, is "unhealthy" unless you have experience with that person. I'm a larger person, hitting 280 lbs. I eat healthy, I walk everyday, I started lifting weights. I'm NATURALLY chubby. If you knew all this, you could never say I lived an unhealthy lifestyle. But society says you can. Size is seen as some sort of evidence; a larger person is sloppy and unhealthy, a skinny person is at the peak of health and takes care of themselves. You can't judge people based on anything outside of experience with that person.
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Dai-ba Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually. No my kinda chubby friend isn't eating healthier at all. She tries to go on a diet but fails so far. Mostly due to expensive. It's nuts that we live in a world were candy is cheaper then fruit.

But you are right. Though it are mostly exception who don't live unhealthy and are (just like you) naturally a bit chubby. I'm not size 2 either and I'm happy about that. I've got no clue how much kg 280 lbs is though but you have to forgive me that since we don't use lbs in my country.

Let's just say that people tend to be a bit short sighted ;).
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IAMTHESTRANGE Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2012
omg, chubby operetta is FAB!
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Cactus-Enrage Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Fat or not, I still love Operetta ! And I like your picture too ;)
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MySweetPhantom Featured By Owner May 24, 2012
glorious and nice message!
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KittenEarl Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And all of a sudden your chubbz Operetta is under fire again. She doesn't appear unhealthy, I don't see why people are getting their panties in a bunch. With her figure she is quite capable of a lot of activity and living a healthy lifestyle. She's got so much curve it should be illegal. Little miss Cherry-whatever is, as you said, trying to be a martyr.

Here's some knowledge then. I'm well within the BMI for my height; I'm actually UNDERweight. I am also not healthy, I get winded easily and I'm lazy. Thin =/= Healthy. She needs to shut her goddamn mouth.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I'm just gonna draw Operetta chubby from now on, srsly.

I LOVE YOU MY DARLING
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mew19 Featured By Owner May 25, 2012
I can't wait to see chubby Operetta in the bikini.
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KittenEarl Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Large and in charge, chunky yet funky. MISS Operetta Royale.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
oh my god.

USING IT.
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KittenEarl Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'd be offended if you didn't.
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Cherrycakez Featured By Owner May 11, 2012
Once a person is in the obesity range they are not in good health, this drawing is in that range. If you honestly think you can be that size and have it never affect your health badly then you're pretty much living in denile. I've had extensive trainning in such matters with doctors and specialists due to my conditions, so I'm not just blabing my mouth, I'm speaking from education. One other things to consider is that if we go back a fair few hundred years noone was anywhere near this big, besides the royal and rich, general people have only been getting this big since our lives have grown lazier and more indulgent. If it was natural to be this size then people would have been it since the dawn of man.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Do you realize how bigoted you sound right now? That you're trying to lord your "education" over me to "teach" me that fat is HORRIFICALLY UNNATURAL? Frankly, I don't give two shits that you've "worked with doctors" or "had education" on the matter. Because no matter how learned you think you are, you're trying to make me FEEL BAD for being HAPPY the way I am. There are no negative consequences of my weight or size on my health. POINT BLANK DONE. The point of this illustration was to show that weight is NOT an indicator of worth, no more than education is an indicator of gentility. You're trying to be this martyr and hero, teaching some poor fat slob why he shouldn't want to be that way, and I'm sorry. I'm not falling for it.
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Cherrycakez Featured By Owner May 11, 2012
You sure do like to jump on the defencive very quickly, I've been talking about your artwork, not you. I myself was actually 40kg heavier a few years back, I said the same things that I was "healthy, nothing wrong with me at this size" etc. I had no idea thou, I lost the weight from cutting out junk food for good and buying a bike to replace driving. How good I felt then compaired to how good I feel now was nothing, when droping the weight it felt like my body was signing with joy to be rid of all the excess weight. I like your artworks alot btw, I just don't agree with this image.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I'm on the defensive because you're being an idiot. Number one: It's MY ART. I'm allowed to get defensive if idiots like you make wild and out-of-bounds assumptions of me and others as people based on one image. Number two: It was about this piece ONCE. Afterwards you constantly asserted that fat people all must HATE being fat. News flash, honey: IF ANYONE OUT THERE HATES THEIR BODY, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE KIND OF BULLSHIT THAT YOU SPEW.

You just don't get it, do you? YOU'RE THINNER NOW AND HAPPY. GOOD FOR YOU. THAT IS </b>YOU</b>. I have said numerous times that it is SELFISH for you to assume things of me and hold others up to YOUR standards.

You say it calmly like people all have to listen to you. You aim to be a hero and a martyr, showing the people the error of their fat and disgusting ways by aiming to "educate" them. Well you know what? You got it wrong. I'm happy that you lost weight and feel better for it, but I don't need to be lighter or thinner to be happy, and I'm sick of you telling me that I need to be.
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Cherrycakez Featured By Owner May 11, 2012
Once again I was talking about your artwork, not you. You're also very quick to throw around insults, thats not a very beneficial trait, as people will take you less seriously.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I won't take you seriously if you tell me that I live my life badly when YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME.

And I'm sorry, you try to give me life advice, but it's about MY PIECE?

Go fuck yourself. : )
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Merpony Featured By Owner May 11, 2012
You disagree with a person so you call them names, type in caps and then block them? I'm guessing you're very young?
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BBG4ya Featured By Owner May 12, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
And you make an account in order to accuse someone of being young just because they used caps and do the mature thing by block someone who is "harassing" them about how they draw the character.

Waste of an account.

BTW Im pretty sure he was using caps to express the importance of the word.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
No, I'm guessing age is not an indicator of maturity. And for your information, I disagreed because I was being told that I must live my life wrong because I don't aspire to lose weight when I DON'T NEED TO.
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Cherrycakez Featured By Owner May 11, 2012
I don't believe at all in promoting being thin as beautiful, so I agree with you there but I also don't think promoting someone at this size is a good thing either. Noone is naturally this large, just as noone is naturally a skeleton (excluding thoes with medical reasons to be very thin or large ofc)
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
The problem with traditional notions of "beauty" is that "fat" is seen as evidence. People see someone of a larger size and assume that they must be disgusting or unhealthy. That they hate their bodies or refuse to take care of them. I have to assume that you did the same thing, because you saw this portrayal of a larger person and told me that in essence, I was promoting that it's ok to be unhealthy. I'm naturally this large. I know quite a few people that are naturally this large. I'm absolutely healthy, it's in my genes and lifestyle to be generally larger than what's considered "normal." I'm not trying to promote that fat is somehow better or more important, but that size should NEVER be an indicator of a persons' worth.
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Cherrycakez Featured By Owner May 11, 2012
Yes I agress that depending on your genes you will be naturally bigger or smaller but you also said lifestyle. I'm presuming you might mean you're not very active? What I meant by natural size is, the size a person would be at if they ate healthy and got a good amount of exercise everyday, I don't really believe a person that did that would be the size that Operetta is here. Pretty much I think that society should be putting more importance on health and fitness. Due to my genes Ive never naturally had good health, Ive had to fight to be the least bit healthy my whole life and I'm only in my 20s. So It kinda makes me sad to see people taking their natural good health for granted, by under eating to keep thin, or over eating because they like it, or are to lazy to exercise. I would have love to see a drawing of a fit and healthy MH doll.
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pikapine Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Because I'm retentive, and your entire argument is ignorant, allow me to elaborate:

The reason obesity has become a problem isn't because of a lack of active life styles. Lack of activity can be a problem, yes. More so than that, however, is the existence of cheap processed food. In particular, in the U.S., processed food is dramatically cheaper, and much more filling, than non-processed food in the same vein. I could buy a 2 lb bag of microwavable chicken tenders for the price of less than a pound of fresh meat. Vegetables are even worse, if you've ever gone between the frozen vegetables and the fresh vegetables section of a food market to gauge between prices. Part of this is that processed food gets subsidized kick backs, and can skimp on a lot of food safety standards (trufax. Do you know how much chemical is in processed food?). This is a problem with corporatism, not a problem with production. Up in Canada, non-processed fruits, vegetables, and meat are dramatically cheaper than their processed counterparts, and from my understanding, the processed "junk food" is actually taxed / slightly more expensive on average. They're backwards by comparison to us. This allows an entire group of people, who are typically chastised for being "obese" to access a healthier food market.

I'd also like to point out that the majority of obese people eat too little, not too much. When your body is consuming food at an irregular rate (meaning it doesn't get a steady intake of calories at an adequate amount), it converts it to far and stores it, so that it can feed on it during times in which it doesn't know when it'll be getting food. A person who gets 1 meal a day is more likely to be fat than a person who is eating 3 meals a day. Combining that with the lack of access to healthy food (that meal is more likely to be processed because it's cheaper) leads to higher rates of obesity. Much more so than a "lack of exercise and eating a lot". You can lose weight without a planned exercise routine. If you walk anywhere / walk places, which a lot of people tend to do, and watch your calories, you can lose weight at a steady rate. If you want to lose it quicker, that's when a planned exercise routine comes in. Facts of life. It's all about food consumption, not a lack of food consumption. If you want to lose weight, you eat MORE, not less. If you eat less, then your metabolism will slow down, and your body will begin storing fat. Please to getting your facts correct before commenting on the health of fat people versus the health of skinny people.


I'd also like to point out that the Obesity chart is crock. It's based on the BMI, which basically calculates your physical weight compared to your height, and judges those things against three generic body builds (there are thousands of body builds). Someone who is muscular could be considered obese by the chart's standards, even though they're not. Not to mention there's an extremely sexist divide between male and female body types that's a whole different issue to drum up and argue. In a nutshell, if a 5'2" woman of a large body build is intended to weigh 110 lb., whereas her male counterpart is intended to weigh 150 lb., there is a 40 lb. This is extraordinarily unlikely, as there isn't that dramatic of a difference between the size of a man and a woman, nor is there that big of a difference in muscle mass. If both individuals are equally active, equally toned, and equally sized, it's much more likely that they will weigh EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT, or within a 10-20lb. difference range. The obesity chart weighs women in a way that insinuates that they HAVE to be extraordinarily thin, or that they are somehow dramatically smaller than their counterparts. Take a class in weight lifting. One of the kickass things I learned from lifting weights in High School was that the idea that men are stronger / have more muscle than women is crock. Its more about genetics and toning than it is sex. Some men have less muscle mass than women of their own height --- not because they're not toning or working out, but because that particular woman just happens to have more muscle mass than they do. Humanity is an extremely diverse species. The downside to shit like the obesity chart and the BMI is that it ignores said diversity in favor of a slanted ideal. :/

Let's be fair here. I'm also quite fat myself. Not only am I slightly overweight, but I'm also extraordinarily active, with an exercise regiment I commit to every night. My issue has never been the exercise. It's been the lack of access to food. C8 So, you know. My life hasn't been very good either. Actually, I've lived part of it in poverty. You can stand on your pedestal and preach "natural, healthy food", but you should be -grateful- that you can afford natural healthy food to begin with. Most people can't. Show a little decorum and learn about the topic you're speaking about before you jump around saying that fat people eat too much junk food and just need to eat better. You're right. But do you have any idea how difficult it is to feed a family of 4 on average working class - middle class wages?

Personally. I would love to see more awareness brought to the table on how to actually lose weight. Less of these crock diet plans people make millions off of. I'd also love to see a doll line that promotes diversity of body types. MH is doing an okay job with it, but, mmm. If they raised awareness by making a "large" girl for their line, and promoted healthy life tips, such as eating more, eating better, etc., they could educate an entire generation of children --- and could also POSSIBLY influence society to start telling the truth when it comes to obesity. That this is a social problem based in economics. Not a personal responsibility problem.
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner May 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
My natural health is wonderful, thank you very much. I don't eat horribly, I get a decent amount of exercise a day. I'm the same size I've always been proportionally. You can be ANY size and be perfectly healthy, and frankly, it's quite unfair to hold others to your own standards of health and beauty. That's YOU. This is ME. I'm naturally bigger. I've always been. I've never been unhealthy. If you're happy the way you are, then wonderful. You live YOUR life. I'll live mine my way, and I'll allow others to live theirs. It's selfish to expect someone else to be just like you.
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I-heart-Link Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Dear Casual-Redemption,

KEEP BEING AWESOME!

Love,
Another Plus Sized Girl who wants to be judged by her character and not her dress size.

P.S. Also your art is awesome and I love your style. <3
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Dear I-Heart-Link,

I WILL DO MY VERY BEST.

Love, another plus-sized human being who is F.A.T. Fabulous And Thick. <3

P.S. Thank you so very much <3
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spectrastein18 Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2012
LOL poor Operetta! ;(
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Grudge-Glamorous Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
So, what's "poor" about her? Did you read my description at all? Are fat people or people without visible hipbones something to be ridiculed or pitied?

Explain yourself.

I'm waiting.
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